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Hello to everyone,

 

I am using the Pentaxs K3-III and I have the following doubt, maybe you know a different answer.

 

As you might know I shoot motorsport, so I would like to shoot (sometimes) using the camera's electronic shutter + Viewfinder / EVF (i need to see the car I chase) and I'm not a big fan of Live View.

 

Do you know if there is any way of combining both? I have tested at home right now the Electronical Shutter and it blocks the EVF / ViewFinder.

 

It might be I am missing to configure something or I might need to upgrade to the latest firmware, I don't know.

Thank you very much!

Okay I have asked and that makes sense, the mirror locks up and doesn't allow you to see using the viewfinder.  :S

Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I am able to use the viewfinder with electronic shutter. The mirror stays down so I can see through the viewfinder, then the mirror comes up to take the photo and falls back down again after. Of course, the sound of the mechanical shutter is missing which sounds odd! lol

First step is to make sure the camera is not in live view mode. Then, the shutter mode option should be in the quick menu (info button) by default, but if not go to the Still Image menu page 4 and you will see it under Shutter Mode Selection. If that's what you've done and you can't see through the viewfinder, I think something isn't right.

Why are you wanting to use the electronic shutter for motorsports? To create a distortion on purpose? That could be a neat effect. Sometimes it looks ugly, other times it looks really neat.

No, not really,no.

It is just that I have used some mirrorless cameras (Olympus) on field in the past and they are very quick and having the chance to have an Electronic Shutter here in our camera I thought that maybe it was a better option. It seems to me (and I might be wrong) that shoots more frames (someone told me it does not) and so on. 

But yes the mirror is up and I can't see anything xD

Gotcha. Even the Olympus is using a mechanical shutter unless you put it on electronic shutter mode, and then you will get distortion effects in the image in certain situations, like photographing fast-moving things.  Yes, I have seen that, some have crazy high frame rates in electronic shutter mode! I think they're up to 60 fps or more now... I'd be out of hard drive space so fast! haha

That's so weird that the mirror just locks up. It seems like your camera is either going into Live View mode or mirror lock up mode, instead of electronic shutter mode. I'm not sure why it is doing that. If everything else works fine then I don't know what kind of problem would cause this. Hopefully it's just some setting isn't right somewhere. Sorry I'm not more help.

Side note, if you do get it to work, you can shoot completely silently in Live View mode when you use the electronic shutter, since the mirror is up and stays up, and the shutter isn't being used. Nice if you want to be discreet (I've used it when my kid doesn't want her picture taken but is being super cute lol). Of course then you have to suffer the terrible Live View autofocus lol

 

Totally quiet, so true. I need to configure the LiveView AF to be able to select the point/s.

No, it seems to be normal as it's a DSLR so the mirror has to stay at some place. And when I have been told that, it makes total sense.

Well, will just give it a go, but most likely will be back at shooting "normal" I guess.

That's just as well, electronic shutter wouldn't gain you anything shooting motorsports on the K-3iii anyway unless you were after that distortion I spoke of. But yeah for mirrorless they can get crazy high framerates. I never saw the need for that but the more I shoot wildlife the more I get where it may be nice. Take 60 shots in a second and then pick the best one. Luxury!

As for Live View, you can make the autofocus work faster if you turn off Face Detection. Found that out by accident. It is still slow though, and no tracking, so I often use manual focus and focus peaking. Also you can touch the screen to choose your focus point... found that out by accident also. haha

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Hello to everyone,

 

I am using the Pentaxs K3-III and I have the following doubt, maybe you know a different answer.

 

As you might know I shoot motorsport, so I would like to shoot (sometimes) using the camera's electronic shutter + Viewfinder / EVF (i need to see the car I chase) and I'm not a big fan of Live View.

 

Do you know if there is any way of combining both? I have tested at home right now the Electronical Shutter and it blocks the EVF / ViewFinder.

 

It might be I am missing to configure something or I might need to upgrade to the latest firmware, I don't know.

Thank you very much!

Okay I have asked and that makes sense, the mirror locks up and doesn't allow you to see using the viewfinder.  :S

Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I am able to use the viewfinder with electronic shutter. The mirror stays down so I can see through the viewfinder, then the mirror comes up to take the photo and falls back down again after. Of course, the sound of the mechanical shutter is missing which sounds odd! lol

First step is to make sure the camera is not in live view mode. Then, the shutter mode option should be in the quick menu (info button) by default, but if not go to the Still Image menu page 4 and you will see it under Shutter Mode Selection. If that's what you've done and you can't see through the viewfinder, I think something isn't right.

Why are you wanting to use the electronic shutter for motorsports? To create a distortion on purpose? That could be a neat effect. Sometimes it looks ugly, other times it looks really neat.

No, not really,no.

It is just that I have used some mirrorless cameras (Olympus) on field in the past and they are very quick and having the chance to have an Electronic Shutter here in our camera I thought that maybe it was a better option. It seems to me (and I might be wrong) that shoots more frames (someone told me it does not) and so on. 

But yes the mirror is up and I can't see anything xD

Gotcha. Even the Olympus is using a mechanical shutter unless you put it on electronic shutter mode, and then you will get distortion effects in the image in certain situations, like photographing fast-moving things.  Yes, I have seen that, some have crazy high frame rates in electronic shutter mode! I think they're up to 60 fps or more now... I'd be out of hard drive space so fast! haha

That's so weird that the mirror just locks up. It seems like your camera is either going into Live View mode or mirror lock up mode, instead of electronic shutter mode. I'm not sure why it is doing that. If everything else works fine then I don't know what kind of problem would cause this. Hopefully it's just some setting isn't right somewhere. Sorry I'm not more help.

Side note, if you do get it to work, you can shoot completely silently in Live View mode when you use the electronic shutter, since the mirror is up and stays up, and the shutter isn't being used. Nice if you want to be discreet (I've used it when my kid doesn't want her picture taken but is being super cute lol). Of course then you have to suffer the terrible Live View autofocus lol

 

Totally quiet, so true. I need to configure the LiveView AF to be able to select the point/s.

No, it seems to be normal as it's a DSLR so the mirror has to stay at some place. And when I have been told that, it makes total sense.

Well, will just give it a go, but most likely will be back at shooting "normal" I guess.

That's just as well, electronic shutter wouldn't gain you anything shooting motorsports on the K-3iii anyway unless you were after that distortion I spoke of. But yeah for mirrorless they can get crazy high framerates. I never saw the need for that but the more I shoot wildlife the more I get where it may be nice. Take 60 shots in a second and then pick the best one. Luxury!

As for Live View, you can make the autofocus work faster if you turn off Face Detection. Found that out by accident. It is still slow though, and no tracking, so I often use manual focus and focus peaking. Also you can touch the screen to choose your focus point... found that out by accident also. haha

Yeah no i thought it might be quicker and last longer on the buffer.

 

Ah does it? I will need to check then turning off Face Detection. Thanks! 

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So I was checking this and the Live View AF and I have found out that AF in Live View has something called "Active Area AF" and in english might be "follow / tracking" (Seguimiento in Spanish) which what it does is you prefocus to the subject and it follows it around the frame so it allows you to shoot. 

 

Wow, impressive and will try to use that if I remember. I let it as it in Live View, now I have to remember to use it though.That I thought it was very impressive if it works as I think it does. Shame is not working on regular non Live View AF. 

 

I have tried it from above the street and it seems to work as stated, you pick your subject and the camera just follows it thru, 

Please check that mopped rider as an example: https://www.flickr.com/photos/red5isalive/albums/72177720314389455